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• 2002.10.24 | Михайло Свистович

  Re: І навіщо було витрачати час на цей переклад?

  Краще б перекласти якусь новину.
  
  
  Serhiy Hrysch пише:
  
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  > Все це відбувається тому, що Вітя Мед. є за всією оборудкою, а Ідіот попрацював на нього. Касети ніколи не мали бути опублікованими. Вони мали використовуватися для притримки "гаранта" за чуприну за закритими дверима.
  > Але речі вийщли з-під контролю, однак - ми відкрили наше місце, і це показало хто є хто.
  > Тримайся,
  >
  > Пітер.
  
  І звідки Пітеру відомо, що за цим стояв Медведчук? Він що, підпрацьовував в нього?
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  • 2002.10.24 | AST

    Не треба гавкати на людей

    
    Лише тому, що правдива інформація не відповідає критерію
    "революційної доцільності".
    
    Які є підстави вважати що майор працює Медведчука?
    
    1. Про це в штатах відверто розповідає сам Мельниченко: мова йде про вдячність людям Суркіса що помогали йому матеріально під час роботи над "документуванням" розмов в кабінеті Кучми.
    2. Зараз в близькому отченні майора перебувають люди, що порівняно недавно працювали в Києві в штабі есдеків.
    3. В цьому факті переконані Жир и Лютий, що тривалий час тісно контактували з "ідіотом".
    
    Я думаю, цього цілком достатньо.
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    • 2002.10.24 | Wairarapa Bush

      Re: Не треба гавкати на людей

      You and Byrne are 'journalists'. Why don't you break the story in a credible newspaper yourselves? Why waste your time here?
      
      I find this medvedchuk twist interesting. I just don't understand why you sat on this information for two years. Or why everything you write is an attempt to portray Kuchma as a victim. And why you hate the opposition so much. The sum of all your contributions is that kuchma should be left alone because it's not his fault and that trying to resolve the conflict in any legal way is hopeless.
      
      P.S. Clover would probably love to break this story. you should write to him.
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      • 2002.10.24 | AST

        Re: Не треба гавкати на людей

        
        Wairarapa Bush пише:
        > You and Byrne are 'journalists'. Why don't you break the story in a credible newspaper yourselves? Why waste your time here?
        
        We tried, but nobody wants to tell the truth.
        
        > I find this medvedchuk twist interesting. I just don't understand why you sat on this information for two years.
        
        No. We`ve always said: there is a high probability those behind Gongadze's disappearance are connected to those who made and edited the recordings.
        
        >Or why everything you write is an attempt to portray Kuchma as a victim.
        
        No. The circumstance doesn`t not contradict justified criticism of Kuchma's regime.
        
        >And why you hate the opposition so much. The sum of all your contributions is that kuchma should be left alone because it's not his fault and that trying to resolve the conflict in any legal way is hopeless.
        
        I don`t like people who continue to use Gongadze's disappearance and tape-scandal as never-ending game for their personal, political and professional gain.
        
        > P.S. Clover would probably love to break this story. you should write to him.
        
        Clover doesn`t want to write about Ukraine any more.
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        • 2002.10.24 | Wairarapa Bush

          Re: Не треба гавкати на людей

          AST пише:
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          > Wairarapa Bush пише:
          > > You and Byrne are 'journalists'. Why don't you break the story in a credible newspaper yourselves? Why waste your time here?
          >
          > We tried, but nobody wants to tell the truth.
          
          
          surely you can persuade the folks at Ukraina kriminal'naia to publish this. This is sensational news, if you have hard and not just circumstantial evidence
          
          
          
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          > > I find this medvedchuk twist interesting. I just don't understand why you sat on this information for two years.
          >
          > No. We`ve always said: there is a high probability those behind Gongadze's disappearance are connected to those who made and edited the recordings.
          
          But why did you wait two years to mention Medvedchuk? In that case you are guilty of the very same thing you accuse Melnychenko of--doing nothing.
          
          >
          > >Or why everything you write is an attempt to portray Kuchma as a victim.
          >
          > No. The circumstance doesn`t not contradict justified criticism of Kuchma's regime.
          
          Yet you expend all your energy on attacking everybody except Kuchma. Strange.
          
          
          >
          > >And why you hate the opposition so much. The sum of all your contributions is that kuchma should be left alone because it's not his fault and that trying to resolve the conflict in any legal way is hopeless.
          >
          > I don`t like people who continue to use Gongadze's disappearance and tape-scandal as never-ending game for their personal, political and professional gain.
          
          My, you are a delicate flower! And so naive. Kuchma was compromised as a politician the minute the recordings became public. There was far too much there, Gongadze aside. You are, in fact, witnessing the results of the failure to resolve the crisis and remove a badly discredited politician from office in some legal fashion. The only thing that could have saved him was an open and credible investigation in December 2000 that would have cleared his name. Failing that, we are now seeing the complete disorganization of the political system--not because kuchma was framed, but because the Ukrainian political elite seems incapable of thinking itself out of a box. process is everything.
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          > > P.S. Clover would probably love to break this story. you should write to him.
          >
          > Clover doesn`t want to write about Ukraine any more.
          
          don't blame him. he got caught up in a game he didn't understand, got badly burned and it nearly destroyed his career. By the way, how are those negotiations to show PIAR on PBS coming along?

        • 2002.10.24 | Wairarapa Bush

          Re: Не треба гавкати на людей

          AST пише:
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          > Wairarapa Bush пише:
          > > You and Byrne are 'journalists'. Why don't you break the story in a credible newspaper yourselves? Why waste your time here?
          >
          > We tried, but nobody wants to tell the truth.
          >
          
          Are you kidding me? you have evidence that the president's top advisers were behind the incriminating recordings and no newspaper is interested? You really don't understand how the press in the west works then. There are any number of newspapers/media that would pay big money for an exclusive of this sort. i guess byrne's and clover's connections just aren't good enough...or maybe you really don't have any hard evidence.

    • 2002.10.24 | Михайло Свистович

      Re: Ну так не гавкайте

      На Мельниченка, Жира, Мороза, багатьох інших.
      
      AST пише:
      >
      > Які є підстави вважати що майор працює Медведчука?
      >
      > 1. Про це в штатах відверто розповідає сам Мельниченко: мова йде про вдячність людям Суркіса що помогали йому матеріально під час роботи над "документуванням" розмов в кабінеті Кучми.
      
      Кому конкретно, де, коли і на яких посадах вони працювали на Суркіса? Докази?
      
      > 2. Зараз в близькому отченні майора перебувають люди, що порівняно недавно працювали в Києві в штабі есдеків.
      
      Хто конкретно, де, коли і на яких посадах вони працювали на есдеків? Докази?
      
      > 3. В цьому факті переконані Жир и Лютий, що тривалий час тісно контактували з "ідіотом".
      
      Так Жир і Лютий, по-Вашому, козли, що грають у свою підступну гру. Чому ж їх словам треба вірити? До того ж, якщо вони козли, агенти і т.д, то Мельниченко виходить - класний пацан.